{"id":118,"date":"2018-05-22T19:33:50","date_gmt":"2018-05-23T02:33:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/culturecrasher.com\/chronicles\/?p=118"},"modified":"2018-05-22T19:34:52","modified_gmt":"2018-05-23T02:34:52","slug":"retrospective-88-lines-about-44-women","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/culturecrasher.com\/chronicles\/retrospective-88-lines-about-44-women\/","title":{"rendered":"Retrospective &#8211; 88 Lines About 44 Women"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In 1998, I got in contact with David Kaufman, the drummer \u00a0for the cult 80\u2019s band The Nails which had put out one of the best recordings of the decade \u2013 \u201c88 Lines About 44 Women\u201d. Below was our correspondence:<\/p>\n<p>From dakaufman@****** Sun Dec\u00a0 6 18:51:18 1998<\/p>\n<p>Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 14:14:54 -0500<\/p>\n<p>From: David Kaufman &lt;dakaufman@********.com&gt;<\/p>\n<p>To: Dean &lt;goldd@*****&gt;<\/p>\n<p>Subject: Re: Answering<\/p>\n<p><strong>(Dave)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Hey Dean<\/p>\n<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks for visiting The Nails&#8217; website.\u00a0 Where are you from?\u00a0 Did you<\/p>\n<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; access the site with a Mac or PC?\u00a0 Did you hear the music?\u00a0 How old are<\/p>\n<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; you?\u00a0 Have you seen or heard the Mazda commercial?<\/p>\n<p><strong>(Dean)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&gt; My father used to play the Mood Swing LP when it first came out. (Which I<\/p>\n<p>&gt; have since tried to locate with no success, though I am sure I could if I<\/p>\n<p>&gt; tried harder) I&#8217;m 21 now, so I was a little kid then and so my mother<\/p>\n<p>&gt; would get pissed off when he would play 88 Lines About 44 Women. Today<\/p>\n<p>&gt; its probably my favorite 80&#8217;s song, up there with Bela Lugosi&#8217;s Dead (even<\/p>\n<p>&gt; though that was 78 or 79) by Bauhaus. It was surely the only punk album<\/p>\n<p>&gt; my\u00a0 father even touched, but he liked 88 lines so much, it is sort of a<\/p>\n<p>&gt; twisted father-son timepiece now.<\/p>\n<p><strong>(Dave)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve relayed this message to friends and band members since it makes us<\/p>\n<p>feel old (I&#8217;m 44) but on the other hand we&#8217;ve got quite a bunch of new<\/p>\n<p>Nails&#8217; fans proving the song has stood the test of time even though<\/p>\n<p>generational changes.\u00a0 I believe there is less of a generation gap between<\/p>\n<p>people of our age and yours due to the rock&#8217;n&#8217;roll era being firmly<\/p>\n<p>entrenched now.\u00a0 My parents grew up in the pre-rock era and hated rock<\/p>\n<p>though my parents like The Beatles and Janis Joplin (!).\u00a0 Some of the<\/p>\n<p>pre-rock era music was awful despite the swing revival.\u00a0 Anyway I<\/p>\n<p>correspond with a Penn State college student who thought 88 Lines was a new<\/p>\n<p>song until she discovered it was released when she was 6!<\/p>\n<p><strong>(Dean)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&gt; I was wondering about something. I once got a hold of the Corpus Christi<\/p>\n<p>&gt; cd and heard the &#8220;90&#8217;s version&#8221; of 88 lines. Am I correct in thinking<\/p>\n<p>&gt; that it is virtually identical? It seems to have the same vocal track,<\/p>\n<p>&gt; although<\/p>\n<p>&gt; the extended drum beats, etc snazz it up nicely and tastefully without<\/p>\n<p>&gt; defacing a classic.<\/p>\n<p><strong>(Dave)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Thanks.\u00a0 You&#8217;re right in that it is &#8220;virtually&#8221; identical, yet it was<\/p>\n<p>completely re-recorded with a new vocal track by Marc.\u00a0 As you know the<\/p>\n<p>original 1981 version of 88 Lines is also on Corpus Christi.\u00a0 As far as the<\/p>\n<p>two new versions on it, the re-creation of the 1984 version and what we<\/p>\n<p>call the &#8220;house&#8221; version, I don&#8217;t think they have the same vocal track.<\/p>\n<p>You pose a good question.\u00a0 I&#8217;ll have to ask.\u00a0 I helped mix and arrange the<\/p>\n<p>re-creation but had nothing to do with the house version.\u00a0 In addition I<\/p>\n<p>was not involved with CC but my songs appear on it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>(Dean)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&gt; As for the Mazda commercial, yes I did see and hear it. I was really<\/p>\n<p>&gt; shocked when I heard that song in an advertisement. Firstly, because of<\/p>\n<p>&gt; the fact that it is relatively obscure. Second, I was surprised that<\/p>\n<p>&gt; whomever made the marketing decision to use the song would want to<\/p>\n<p>&gt; associate its product with a song containing lyrics like those in 88<\/p>\n<p>&gt; Lines. Thirdly, I was surprised that The Nails would want to let their<\/p>\n<p>&gt; song be used in such a context.<\/p>\n<p><strong>(Dave)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Well most people think it&#8217;s a cool jingle.\u00a0 Only the &#8220;in crowd&#8221; knows it&#8217;s<\/p>\n<p>a real song.\u00a0 That is the gap we are trying to bridge to possibly resurrect<\/p>\n<p>our careers.\u00a0 The marketing decision was made because someone at an ad<\/p>\n<p>agency liked the song, knew the lyrics could be changed and would become a<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;cool&#8221; factor besides that it&#8217;s a great visual commercial that features<\/p>\n<p>women driving a car for a change.\u00a0 You&#8217;d think that only men drive cars if<\/p>\n<p>you watch commercials&#8230;.\u00a0 For us it was an opportunity to get our song out<\/p>\n<p>there to millions and financially capitalize on it for a change.\u00a0 We sold<\/p>\n<p>out and are proud of it.\u00a0 U2 can afford to not have a sponsor on their<\/p>\n<p>tours; the Rolling Stones can afford not to but choose to.\u00a0 Who has more<\/p>\n<p>integrity?<\/p>\n<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - http:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"http:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/share-small.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top:5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Linkedin\",\"Digg\",\"Reddit\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"small\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"Retrospective - 88 Lines About 44 Women\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"http:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In 1998, I got in contact with David Kaufman, the drummer \u00a0for the cult 80\u2019s band The Nails which had put out one of&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":49,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[18],"class_list":["post-118","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-letters","tag-pop-culture"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"http:\/\/culturecrasher.com\/chronicles\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/the-nails-mood-swing.jpg","_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/culturecrasher.com\/chronicles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/118","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/culturecrasher.com\/chronicles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/culturecrasher.com\/chronicles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/culturecrasher.com\/chronicles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/culturecrasher.com\/chronicles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=118"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"http:\/\/culturecrasher.com\/chronicles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/118\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":199,"href":"http:\/\/culturecrasher.com\/chronicles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/118\/revisions\/199"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/culturecrasher.com\/chronicles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/49"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/culturecrasher.com\/chronicles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=118"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/culturecrasher.com\/chronicles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=118"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/culturecrasher.com\/chronicles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=118"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}